having discussed for quite a long time the nature of the irreductabilityof intensional descriptions to extensional descriptions, i am lost ,for i find myself in no respectable position (philosophically speaking, of course) in such conflict; i understand very much of the argumentative process that leads to a conclusion i dislike, but i cannot deffend my own view of the matter. we are all very much screwed for having private lives led only for us to know, that may sound quite redundant, but i think it makes a little sense when one is exploring the many sides of rigorous thinking (.... bah, i think i will never get the hang of it), i would really hope someone could understand, or at least accept the existence of quali-tative experiences beyond the public eye. how can i explain what a good glass of wine tastes like? how can anyone deny that the particular taste of good wine exists even if i don't express it?.... don't you people feel anything?!!! i must say this didn't turn out to be what i expected, i was hoping i could articulate somewhat of a more coherent argument, but, as i said, i am lost because of my incapibility (i don't think that's written that way, but no matter....)for showing what is necessarilly un-show-able. that should teach me to evade philosophical matter in this space.